Windows 10 and Dell Latitude 10 ST2

Well, I found out that Dell doesn’t support Windows 10 on this device…

And isn’t THAT just dandy..?!?

Funny thing is, I’m getting pestered all over the place from Microsoft (via their Windows 10 Upgrade stub) to upgrade the device to Windows 10.

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In fact, it (and Microsoft) won’t leave me alone about it.

So, what is a Windows user to do?  Because this is the huge debate and dilemma of Late 2015: My PC OEM isn’t supporting Windows 10 on my device, but since it runs a version of Windows that qualifies for the free Windows 10 upgrade, and the Windows 10 upgrade stub knows this, I get nagged.

I get nagged a lot.  A LOT, a lot; and this creates a bit of a problem.

Microsoft has changed its Windows 10 upgrade options. You used to be able to ignore or defer the upgrade.  Now, you get to upgrade NOW or, later tonight.

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Microsoft’s Windows 10 upgrade is a 3.0 to 5.0 GB (give or take a couple hundred megabytes) file that Microsoft is pushing to your computer, whether you want it or not. This upgrade now or upgrade later today stuff has been viewed as malware or spamming mentality.  I’m pretty certain you can still “ignore” the process by clicking the red “X” in the upper right corner (effectively quitting the program), but it’s clear, Microsoft is taking a very aggressive – not assertive, but aggressive – stance on getting people to move to Windows 10, especially on the consumer side.  If you have Windows 7 or Windows 8.x on your personal, home computer, Microsoft has set its sites on you.

This would be fine, if Windows 10 weren’t a train wreck.

It would also be fine if my only remaining Windows machine weren’t unsupported on Windows 10.

Now, to be honest, I’ve got Windows 10 on it already; but there are a huge number of problems with it.  Internet access is difficult on in, as Windows doesn’t always recognize that it actually HAS an active internet connection (though, I’m connected to either Wi-Fi or wired LAN via a USB dongle). Sometimes I have to reboot the tablet four to five times before Windows sees the internet connection. I have no idea why; but this causes a number of different issues, especially with Windows Update (as well as general internet web browsing).

But that aside, it really begs the whole question, of what do you do when the OEM says Windows <the latest version> isn’t supported on your computer?  How do you convince the Windows 10 upgrade app to leave you alone and stop nagging to have Windows 10 installed?

And if it does install (and the experience sucks as bad as it does…), how many times do I have to pull it off before Microsoft and Windows 10 finally leaves you alone and lets you stick with your Windows 7/ 8.x experience?  Unfortunately, Microsoft hasn’t addressed this problem.  They’re assuming – or seem to be assuming – that if the device ran fine under Windows 7 or Windows 8.x that it will run Windows 10 without issue.  I think I’ve shown, or at least convinced myself, that that isn’t always the case.

Barring the forced upgrade issue

(and assuming you get stuck in a periodic, forced upgrade loop) when do you stop downgrading? I’ve actually pulled Windows 10 off my Dell Latitude 10 ST2, twice – once during the Beta period and once after the July 2015 initial release of Windows 10.  As far as I know, as long as you have a pre Windows 10 version of Windows on your PC, you’re going to get hit with this time and again (especially since the downgrade process doesn’t always work and in many cases people have to blow their PC’s and start over, or use a restore DVD/ USB stick to get back to an earlier version of Windows).

Microsoft is giving everyone who upgrades 30 days to go back to their previous version.  Have you decided that Windows 10 wasn’t for you?  I haven’t heard of too many individuals that have fallen into this trap or have been forced to upgrade only to put their computer back to the previous version, though I’m certain that some have done that.  Unfortunately, Microsoft isn’t making stats on those that have reverted to their previous Windows version available.  When they have a 1B user target their trying to hit, I’m certain that they aren’t wanting to advertise how many people have downgraded their PC.

Have you bumped into this problem?  Is your computer officially unsupported on Windows 10 (as mine is)? Have you been forced to upgrade your computer? If so, what’s the experience like?  Did you downgrade back to your previous version of Windows?  Did Windows pester you and make you upgrade again?  How did you make it all stop?  I’d love to hear from you if you did.

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  • NunYaBuziness

    All these observations, questions, etc… RE: Windows 10, the constant badgering and Microsoft almost seeming as if they are trying to force-feed us what THEY think is best for us. From where I am standing, Microsoft has a lot of nerve. I have had alot of bad experiences dealing with the upgrade to 10. The rollback failed when I tried to revert to my prior installation and it was only 3 days after installing the update. SO their 30 day policy is full of holes because they never outline specific things that take the rollback option off the table, one being if you choose to download windows 10 and create media for upgrade at a later time, you have given up your right to rollback. So if you want to create the USB installation of your WIndows 10 media, you better be sure you like it enough to give up your previous installation of whatever version you had or, if you re like me and some others, make backups of all your data and what-not so you can just do clean installations of whatever Windows version you want for the respective system you are working with

    Now, the issue about the force-feeding of Windows 10 upgrade. This should considered harassment and I am sure there can be cases made against microsoft for the methods they are using to push end users with such obvious pre-meditated tactics to more or less catch us off guard and end up with Windows 10. I know people that woke up in the morning only to find their system was now running Windows 10, with some glitchy issues, and not sure how the hell it happened. The roll-back option obviously exists for this type of user, but the truth is, Microsoft is doing just what a rapist does when they push and push and do not accept NO for an answer. We have seen proof millions of people are inquiring how to get rid of this dreaded bull shi*T upgrade notification and make it STOP!!!!!. NO MEANS NO!

    But when you find a way to break the will of those who are not knowledgeable enough to defend themselves, and you find a way around their defenses by using brute force or slick back door methods, this is no different than rape. Honestly, I’d like to adopt the term “SOFTWARE RAPE” and define it in much the same way a sexual deviant at the office who has control over an employee who is female, and his position of authority intimidates or overwhelms the female employee to the point that she can no longer resist his sexual advances and thus ends up performing an act that she never wanted, tried to prevent, but in the end lost this battle only to have tears in her eyes as it was happening but could never find the courage to fight back.

    Yeah, Microsoft is much like that sexual deviant. They take advantage of the weak and less knowledgeable, or, they use slick tactics to get back door access on those who are trying to combat their advances. We have tried removing updates that are said to remove the upgrade notification but Microsoft is somehow getting around the removal of update KB3035583. I hid the update afterwards and the dam notification found it’s way back on my system. I know for a fact I removed KB3035583. I also rebooted, and then made sure all files and folders pertaining to Windows 10 notification were removed from my hard drive as well as the registry. When I saw the notification was back, I searched the installed upgrades. I specifically typed in the search box KB3035583. Can you believe it turns up “no results found”? I typed in a couple of the other updates that I was able to see at the top of the “installed updates” box and the results turned up fine. Don’t you know I manually scrolled through the dozens and dozens of updates and sure enough, KB3035583 was in fact installed once again. But how? ANd how does it avoid being found when using the search option within Windows? I firmly believe these little nuances and issue are so pre-planned tactics Microsoft uses to mislead and manipulate us. They are playing unfair games now and I am tired of being the recipient of their incessant need to force-feed me what I DO NOT WANT!.

    So I tell you what I did. This has worked so far. I removed the update KB3035583 again. I deleted all registry entries and files and folders from the hard drive that had anything relating to the upgrade notification. But this time, I did something else. I have no clue if it will work. But, here goes. The files that were being relied on by the upgrade notification program reside in the following folder:

    C:windowssystems32tasksmicrosoftwindowssetup

    Oh I removed all the files. And apparently if the notification program is to end up back on our computer, it is the above path and folder name the files will likely want to hang out in. After all files were deleted, I took the permissions of the folder “SETUP” and made some changes. There was FULL ACCESS and SPECIAL PERMISSIONS being given to the System and of course my own username since I was administrator. Well, I made sure to revoke all write permissions to this folder and any other folders within the same container. My goal was to prevent anyone from putting any files into this folder. And if someone tries, I would hope it sparks an error message stating something to the effect that access is denied, see system administrator. I personally think this might work but who knows. I am not the leading expert on the levels of security and how they are to be implemented on files and folders within windows. in fact it’s always struck me as tedious and stupid with no real way of understanding it easily. You have to be a computer or at least think like one and I can only go so far with that. But I’ve succeeded at configuring things like this in the past and if memory serves well, what I just did blocks anyone from writing anything to this folder. I did not find out if this folder would be used for any other upgrades from Windows Update but frankly I do not care. If that is the case, then me & Microsoft have reached an impass which I will place blame on the fact that I am refusing their advances, I am refusing their brute force and questionable tactics and I will not allow myself to be another victim of Microsoft’s SOFTWARE RAPE!

    HEY MICROSOFT… GO.. TO..HELL!

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